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  1. Abrams

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    Discuss military things here...



    First topic.
    Why Arjun tanks sucks so much and can India build a proper tank.
     
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    Picture of the so called Arjun tank :mistrust:
     
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    [​IMG]

    Indian Main Battle Tank.

    Drawbacks?

    1st:
    Armor sucks. It's heavy and not efficient. And badly placed

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    2nd:
    Main gun. It's RIFLED!!! :lol: And penetration of AP round is so fucking silly. Basically it's worse than guns form 80s
     
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    yup, the pakistani mullah's al khalid tank beats this :yesyes:
     
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    [quote author=beer link=topic=392.msg21909#msg21909 date=1392494480]
    yup, the pakistani mullah's al khalid tank beats this :yesyes:
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    Yes... but thankfully T-90s are on par with it. But you should get better ammunition than 3Bm42 that you now use. Israeli offered better ammunition and technology transfer but they were blacklisted...

    But Indian MOD is sick. Blacklist outside firms from market on non confirmed claims.

    I've read analysis that most of those "corruption scandals" in military were organized by local military companies to push shit like Arjun.
     
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    Poland is getting used these
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    Leopard 2A5.

    Much better than Indian rubbish tank-like product...

    And cheaper.
     
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    tanks are not the only infantry problem, field artillery is outdated.. the air force had ego issues with the raising of an army combat aviation corps, lots of rust and corruption in the state military machine .. good generals get shit smeared with political garbage... never ending corruption scandals.. fucked up :nono:

    but if ever a crazy mullah launches a nuke at Hindustan, Pakistan will burn nonstop for another 100 years in a nasty fusion reaction sea of fire :beer:
     
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    [quote author=beer link=topic=392.msg21918#msg21918 date=1392495839]
    tanks are not the only infantry problem, field artillery is outdated.. the air force had ego issues with the raising of an army combat aviation corps, lots of rust and corruption in the state military machine .. good generals get shit smeared with political garbage... never ending corruption scandals.. fucked up :nono:

    but if ever a crazy mullah launches a nuke at Hindustan, Pakistan will burn nonstop for another 100 years in a nasty fusion reaction sea of fire :beer:
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    But what if you gonna launch nukes first on crazy mullach backed up by evil imperial bastards? :tard2:

    Main problem of Indian Ground Forces is fake corruption and pushing shitty domestic equipment that sucks major ass. So called "Bofors Scandal" was pumped for domestic propaganda. India is awfully imperialistic in that matter. "We produce best equipment and we will not buy corrupted imperialist stuff from west". Read some Indian military newsletters translated in English... sounded like stuff form Kim Jong Dong.
     
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    [quote author=Abrams link=topic=392.msg21919#msg21919 date=1392496132]
    But what if you gonna launch nukes first on crazy mullach backed up by evil imperial bastards? :tard2:

    Main problem of Indian Ground Forces is fake corruption and pushing shitty domestic equipment that sucks major ass. So called "Bofors Scandal" was pumped for domestic propaganda. India is awfully imperialistic in that matter. "We produce best equipment and we will not buy corrupted imperialist stuff from west". Read some Indian military newsletters translated in English... sounded like stuff form Kim Jong Dong.
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    I know :yesyes:

    but in case of a conventional "full scale" war.. India will just cut off all paki business, they don't have a chance in hell of even a fair shot.. will be finished easy, if with some losses.. but acceptable.. India is ready for it :salut:

    everyone should have a nuke though, the bomb is the only thing keeping the uneasy peace in this part of the world.. pakistan are more worried about the mullahs getting the bomb than an AgniV raining hell on them.... good.. keep killing each other :troll:
     
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    [quote author=beer link=topic=392.msg21935#msg21935 date=1392498373]
    I know :yesyes:

    but in case of a conventional "full scale" war.. India will just cut off all paki business, they don't have a chance in hell of even a fair shot.. will be finished easy, if with some losses.. but acceptable.. India is ready for it :salut:

    everyone should have a nuke though, the bomb is the only thing keeping the uneasy peace in this part of the world.. pakistan are more worried about the mullahs getting the bomb than an AgniV raining hell on them.... good.. keep killing each other :troll:
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    Strategic forces and Air force is good... but ground forces will suffer too heavy losses. At least of civilized country standards.
     
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    [quote author=Abrams link=topic=392.msg21937#msg21937 date=1392498645]
    Strategic forces and Air force is good... but ground forces will suffer too heavy losses. At least of civilized country standards.
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    strategic, shmategic.. if there's a nuke, a huge area of the world map will be gone, and that means civvies mostly, millions of them :|

    the Pakistan thing is super complicated, they must allow US JSOC drones and private contractors to work, or the mullahs kill them.. they have a somewhat civilian controlled administration.. but they can't separate from the Kashmir thing, so they have to fuel that side as well.. which means full on training and joint ops against the Indians with extremist islam crazy groups..

    the US gave some lip service but nothing happened, they need to play all sides.. and everyone is juggling white hot nuclear and mullah stones waiting for a slip ...

    so lets get ready for a super nuclear taliban, you guize :beer:
     
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    [quote author=beer link=topic=392.msg21947#msg21947 date=1392499554]
    strategic, shmategic.. if there's a nuke, a huge area of the world map will be gone, and that means civvies mostly, millions of them :|

    the Pakistan thing is super complicated, they must allow US JSOC drones and private contractors to work, or the mullahs kill them.. they have a somewhat civilian controlled administration.. but they can't separate from the Kashmir thing, so they have to fuel that side as well.. which means full on training and joint ops against the Indians with extremist islam crazy groups..

    the US gave some lip service but nothing happened, they need to play all sides.. and everyone is juggling white hot nuclear and mullah stones waiting for a slip ...

    so lets get ready for a super nuclear taliban, you guize :beer:
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    But conventional war can happen too. Both sides could be too scared to use them. Current government in case of crisis migth search for enemy to attack to unite the country and stay in power. Like Argentina in 82. Besides India have better nuclear arsenal. Also I don't think India is most stable... this could be started form both sides. At least I think so.
     
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    [quote author=Abrams link=topic=392.msg21950#msg21950 date=1392499824]
    But conventional war can happen too. Both sides could be too scared to use them. Current government in case of crisis migth search for enemy to attack to unite the country and stay in power. Like Argentina in 82. Besides India have better nuclear arsenal. Also I don't think India is most stable... this could be started form both sides. At least I think so.
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    no, in Pakistan.. the military is the establishment.. civvie govt is a farce, incompatible with their Islamic crap anyway.. why do you think they've had so many coups and all sorts of political assassinations ? but yeah.. too many variables here, a conventional warhead could be seen as a nuke and people react in kind and make a huge mistake :banana8: .. very possible :tard:

    but overall, the bigger risk is in pakistan and the mullahs doing something stupid..

    :|
     
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    [quote author=beer link=topic=392.msg21963#msg21963 date=1392500769]
    no, in Pakistan.. the military is the establishment.. civvie govt is a farce, incompatible with their Islamic crap anyway.. why do you think they've had so many coups and all sorts of political assassinations ? but yeah.. too many variables here, a conventional warhead could be seen as a nuke and people react in kind and make a huge mistake :banana8: .. very possible :tard:

    but overall, the bigger risk is in pakistan and the mullahs doing something stupid..

    :|
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    Still conventional forces are needed. Don't forget China.
     
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    Watched it back in a day... Not really true what that dude is saying.

    Guy is living in 80s... He forgot how AESA radar are giving edge in aerial combat. F-35 will be neat machine. Especially with new AIM-120D. He said in one part if I remember correctly that visual identification is still necessary in aerial combat... This is discrediting him.


    F-35 is not F-22... but still great machine.
     
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    Sadly A-10 days are over. They are good against muslim farmers and outdated tanks.... but I don't think it would survive in modern battlefield where it would must deal with TOR, Tunguska or Igla-S anti-aircraft systems...


    Eurofighter STILL don't have decent air-to-ground equipment. And it's batshit expensive.
     

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